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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Valentine and faroush ah

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prepare to have your paradigms shifted

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in the truths questioned and now

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shattered reality hi welcome to the

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first attempt it are shattering your

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reality this is Kate and Ferruccio

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coming your way on air and up in the

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clouds tonight we're honored to have as

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our guest mr. Don Ecker his background

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in bhau's military law enforcement but

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most importantly along with his wife

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he established UFO magazine he is an

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intrepid UFO investigator very well

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known very well respected in the field

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and tonight he is here with us to

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discuss our very mysterious satellite

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the moon fittingly just yesterday

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morning we experienced the Blood Moon so

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done thank you so much for being patient

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for being with us and welcome to

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shattered reality well thank you so much

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and it's quite an honor to be your very

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first guest it's all yes we're very

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honored and I I have had a great

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interest this is Russia here I've had a

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great interest in moon anomalies for a

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good long time now and the one thing

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that has always struck me is something

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that I've heard you mention and I've

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mentioned it on blogs and so forth it

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has to do with the photographic

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collections that we are allowed to see

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of the moon the stuff NASA puts up for

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us and it's it's so far away and fuzzy

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and and you and I know that they send

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these us these probes up there and they

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and with the things down here you can

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see a pimple on somebody's butt who's

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you know sunbathing on a on a rooftop in

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Manhattan so what's up with that Don

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what do you think well it's it's quite

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been an intentional act by either NASA

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or the powers that be that they degrade

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these photographs down the extremely low

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resolution for anybody's guess now if I

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had to for example go into a court of

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law and swear to tell the truth raise my

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hand to testify I could not absolutely

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swear because I haven't yet seen the

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proof howsoever what I have done over

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the years I have interviewed not only as

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a radio broadcaster myself but I have

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interviewed lots of people from various

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walks of life that have been involved

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and interested in these types of items

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and including a number of people that

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have seen the unedited lunar photographs

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providing you have a need to know that

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that's a very telling phrase that

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anybody that's been in intelligence

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recognize for example back in 1995 I

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people that I've ever interviewed in

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a guy by the name of Vito Sakaki who was

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a petrochemical engineer and during that

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science writer by the name of George

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moon now after three weeks of some

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that these two guys went through they

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astounded now the company that was

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six weeks later they were sent and they

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government NASA the military or anybody

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keep that to themselves well for

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UFO topic has been kept under wraps for

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topsy-turvy if suddenly the population

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around the world but it would be

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frightening Don suppose we're not just

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food chain well you know that's funny

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because for several months I've been

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working on a paper it's not done yet but

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it's involved with something called the

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Harrison scenario now basically what

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with zero incidentally zero results and

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attempt to discover radio signals

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known universe primarily our galaxy the

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of anomalous signals that have been

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received but they've never been repeated

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cemetery just nothing but science

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that now number two they have other

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technology other than radio signals that

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they are out there but they're not

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broadcasting because they know something

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top of the food chain predator that

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civilization of some type that maybe so

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xenophobic that when they discover an

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emerging civilization perhaps they're

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a possible competitor and they wipe them

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scariest of all the possibilities of why

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threats are today I mean we have enough

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problems without having you know killer

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necessarily suggesting that that that's

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Earth what would that do to the global

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community see you wouldn't energy well

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it no not JP Morgan killed that one what

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conglomerates that basically surround

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business overnight you don't for one

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second think that anybody would let that

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happen to you no no I don't which brings

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didn't go back to the moon and what

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the little Jade rabbit and why didn't

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why the heck didn't we go back after we

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spent all that money the millions and

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millions of dollars training those brave

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men and women to be astronauts and the

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millions of tax dollars that went on

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those those rocket launchers and the the

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capsules and the rover is the lunar

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of questions there and not only this

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hour but I could talk to you for the

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next three hours about that that'd be

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fabulous but I guess sure I understand

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this is something that I've been

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researching and studying since the early

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Persia we spent billions and the

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Russians spent billions and we both had

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casualties in that crazy race to the

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moon and you know number one we got to

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ask ourselves first what in the world

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were we trying to get there so quickly

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the space race about 1962 with President

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satellite in orbit they put the first

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left in the dust and a lot of people

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truly a force to be reckoned with but

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quickly well here's what some of my

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astronomers that I'm talking about

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world-class astronomers were observing

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the moon and they were seeing sights on

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the moon that were inexplicable and

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with naked eyes going back to the Year

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1541 okay now how do I know know that

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well NASA contracted out to an academic

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group during the Apollo race okay to do

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a study of lunar transient phenomena

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called NASA technical report TR our 277

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available online but at any rate they

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lights in craters they had been

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observing lights moving across the moon

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clouding effect happening over many

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seen so many sights on the moon and some

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their telescopes at a city from the sky

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observed that for over three years okay

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the British Royal Astronomical Society

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amazing NASA NASA had to know that there

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were a lot of questions about that and

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thus the race was started now I'm

278
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presuming both you ladies were around in

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the 1960s yes you will you will recall

280
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all the promises that were being made

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both implicit and explicitly promises of

282
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putting colonies on the moon

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putting manufacturing sites on the moon

284
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doing a lot of things well we finally

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get up there in July of 1969

286
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now that was almost immediately when low

287
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key rumors started about what was

288
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actually discovered up there and years

289
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later years later after that after the

290
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Apollo operation was totally shut down

291
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in December of 1972 with other missions

292
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scheduled to be launched rockets already

293
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built the astronauts already trained

294
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everything was paid for NASA pulled the

295
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plug now here's here's something else

296
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that you may or may not be aware of when

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the first missions went to the moon and

298
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believe me when I first made this

299
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announcement about 20 years ago after I

300
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discovered it and I ended up calling up

301
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NASA from UFO magazine to make sure that

302
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I wasn't full of it

303
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and they basically said well yeah you're

304
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right the first astronauts that went up

305
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there were armed they carried weapons

306
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with them yes yes I do recall reading

307
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that what kind of weapon so I mean what

308
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would you use the no no no the usage

309
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they carried 45 caliber automatic

310
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pistols and the fact of the matter is

311
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yes that will shoot an event it will oh

312
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sure yeah it's not oxygen that fuels it

313
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it's the propellant in the cartridge

314
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which is a gas okay because I thought it

315
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almost like an explosive I don't I don't

316
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really know much about guns as a matter

317
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of fact I don't know Wow why would they

318
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yeah III think that I think that

319
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what's-his-name told me that the

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astronaut Edgar Mitchell nation' that

321
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yes go ahead I'm sorry

322
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yeah we don't mean to interrupt you real

323
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easy yeah it's well it's it's it's true

324
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and now when I called up NASA mmm-hmm

325
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and I talked to the public spokesperson

326
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I asked him I said why in the name of

327
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all that's holy what those guys have

328
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been carrying a weapon and he said well

329
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you know we were afraid now this

330
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incidentally and let me tell you this

331
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right up front I didn't believe this guy

332
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for a second although he may have

333
00:19:24,409 --> 00:19:22,500
believed it he may have been told that

334
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he believed that I didn't believe the

335
00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:27,630
story that when they went up there in

336
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case something happened when they were

337
00:19:36,139 --> 00:19:33,450
coming back and and their landing got

338
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screwed up and they landed in a jungle

339
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:39,630
oh they they wouldn't be unarmed well

340
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here was the thing uh-huh planet Earth

341
00:19:50,389 --> 00:19:46,710
is 75% water well you remember if you

342
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:50,399
remember when they were the moon shots

343
00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:52,770
were coming back where did they land

344
00:19:59,180 --> 00:19:56,370
they all landed in the ocean okay so

345
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that's why I thought this guy was

346
00:20:06,590 --> 00:20:03,540
trying to sell me a story but here's why

347
00:20:08,690 --> 00:20:06,600
I think once again I got to tell you I'm

348
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:08,700
speculating that when they went up there

349
00:20:23,380 --> 00:20:12,450
quite honestly they did not know what

350
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:26,300
that's just what they would have had to

351
00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:31,530
have expected a target I mean there's no

352
00:20:37,340 --> 00:20:33,900
point in having a gun just to shoot it

353
00:20:40,460 --> 00:20:37,350
off I mean so and they would have

354
00:20:42,740 --> 00:20:40,470
expected a target that a gun would be

355
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effective against or are they just

356
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:46,980
guessing I'm just guessing god only

357
00:20:57,980 --> 00:20:55,100
don't but but here's the other thing now

358
00:21:01,130 --> 00:20:57,990
in in my years of research on lunar

359
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:01,140
phenomena mm-hmm I found a number of

360
00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:04,970
photographs that were to my eyes

361
00:21:15,740 --> 00:21:12,060
shocking yeah they definitely show what

362
00:21:19,670 --> 00:21:15,750
I believed them to be artificial

363
00:21:22,370 --> 00:21:19,680
artifacts on the moon now if if I'm

364
00:21:25,790 --> 00:21:22,380
correct and if those photographs which

365
00:21:30,010 --> 00:21:25,800
incidentally were all from NASA these

366
00:21:33,610 --> 00:21:30,020
were all NASA photographs if I'm correct

367
00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:33,620
that these showed an artificial

368
00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:37,320
construct well we certainly to my

369
00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:40,260
knowledge didn't have the capability to

370
00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:42,510
put some of the things up there that

371
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:45,060
appear to be there so what does that

372
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:48,810
leave us with number one here's one

373
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:50,220
possibility

374
00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:53,130
you know this planet has been around for

375
00:22:00,380 --> 00:21:55,710
four-and-a-half billion years

376
00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:00,390
wait and the human race is in I believe

377
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:03,510
it to be much older than its given

378
00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:08,250
credit for but hey look we cannot even

379
00:22:17,060 --> 00:22:13,529
agree on who killed president can

380
00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:17,070
which now is 50 years ago right mm-hmm

381
00:22:22,060 --> 00:22:19,710
we don't know I mean there's still a lot

382
00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:22,070
of controversy about that

383
00:22:31,159 --> 00:22:27,510
freshman yeah so here's here's something

384
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:31,169
to think about our history our written

385
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:36,320
history as we know it goes back to about

386
00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:43,380
3500 BC okay just a Titch under 6000

387
00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:46,110
years great that was the world's first

388
00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:49,380
civilization that we recognized which

389
00:22:57,820 --> 00:22:53,940
was in Sumer okay the land of between

390
00:23:02,600 --> 00:22:57,830
the Euphrates and the in what is today

391
00:23:06,139 --> 00:23:02,610
Iraq okay but do we really believe that

392
00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:06,149
that is the earliest civilization I do

393
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:09,240
not well they found the stuff in Turkey

394
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,730
you know that ten thousand twelve

395
00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:13,919
thousand year old civilization and

396
00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:15,480
teriyaki gold Becky

397
00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:19,380
Eppley boy yes yes yes that is correct

398
00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:23,220
but what about civilizations before that

399
00:23:30,399 --> 00:23:25,559
and that incidentally was about the time

400
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:30,409
of the cessation of the last ice age now

401
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:35,880
since that time our world's oceans have

402
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:38,610
risen in some places up to several

403
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:42,559
hundred feet higher than what they were

404
00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:46,620
15,000 years ago who knows what was

405
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:50,760
submerged by that great deluge now is it

406
00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:52,500
possible that there might have been an

407
00:23:59,090 --> 00:23:56,070
early human civilization that was very

408
00:24:01,519 --> 00:23:59,100
highly advanced that went to the moon in

409
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:01,529
other words ancient human artifacts

410
00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:05,490
that's one possibility now India bears

411
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:07,500
that out a little bit you know the the

412
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:12,000
Indian literature talks about another

413
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,580
civilization and there's some indication

414
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:16,640
that there were nuclear weapons in that

415
00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:20,640
prehistoric Indian civilization exactly

416
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:25,350
exactly you are absolutely correct now

417
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:30,809
what if there was another boy let me I'm

418
00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:40,450
what what if at some point in our past

419
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:45,299
something on another civilization from

420
00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:48,330
outside of our solar system came here

421
00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:51,750
found earth and let's face it this

422
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:55,799
planet is hospitable to life and for

423
00:25:04,600 --> 00:24:59,340
whatever reason set up an observing base

424
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:04,610
on the moon that is no longer active or

425
00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:08,720
what if this is another possibility

426
00:25:14,659 --> 00:25:13,340
there are still ongoing activities there

427
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:14,669
hmm

428
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:17,159
well and that's in fact what was

429
00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:19,559
discovered by our Apollo mission now

430
00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:22,020
here's something that that kind of play

431
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:23,880
into that that I have always found

432
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:27,690
curious there Russians back during that

433
00:25:35,180 --> 00:25:32,100
period of time were prideful if nothing

434
00:25:40,419 --> 00:25:35,190
else and the fact that we got to the

435
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,429
moon and they didn't never struck me as

436
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,679
quite right I would have thought that

437
00:25:50,029 --> 00:25:46,559
the Russians would have gone there just

438
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,039
to prove that they could do it but they

439
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:52,559
never did they never did

440
00:25:59,899 --> 00:25:57,059
now what the possibility may be although

441
00:26:05,450 --> 00:25:59,909
you'd never get anybody to admit this is

442
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:05,460
that NASA was warned off the moon and

443
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:08,610
the warning was such that they relayed

444
00:26:14,539 --> 00:26:12,330
it to the Soviet Union and the Russians

445
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:14,549
knew better then didn't try to go up

446
00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:16,710
there at that period of time it

447
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,600
certainly doesn't make any sense Don

448
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:20,880
that they did not want to at least

449
00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:24,000
duplicate our feet and do something more

450
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,179
there there is a rumor which I think is

451
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:30,480
not true fallacious as it were that Yuri

452
00:26:34,399 --> 00:26:33,720
Gagarin got to the moon I don't think

453
00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:34,409
that's true

454
00:26:38,530 --> 00:26:37,230
but there's a circulating rumor to that

455
00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:38,540
effect

456
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:41,340
and you do know that the Chinese had

457
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:44,820
just recently put on that you that lunar

458
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:47,730
probe which was called Jade rabbit right

459
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:51,720
and it broke down yeah mm-hmm saw some

460
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:53,730
strange things and they they got really

461
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:56,250
embarrassed about it but now we haven't

462
00:27:01,490 --> 00:26:57,930
heard a word that they're they're going

463
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:01,500
back no no sign of a rerun there yeah

464
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:04,860
that does sound likely either you know

465
00:27:08,150 --> 00:27:07,080
because obviously once you establish

466
00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:08,160
those programs

467
00:27:13,790 --> 00:27:11,040
it's an enormous expense but then to

468
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:13,800
keep them going it's not that great an

469
00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:16,020
expense that most of the groundwork has

470
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,120
been done it's just the sign I'm it's

471
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:21,120
not yeah it's not inexpensive but you

472
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:22,290
would think that they would have

473
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:23,490
followed that up

474
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:25,620
and then there was the other thing that

475
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:28,140
Purusha was telling me about that time

476
00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:31,010
we what fired rockets into the moon yes

477
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:34,230
Frankie Bell yes I was very upset by

478
00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:38,250
that at the time was at 2009 we had a

479
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:42,120
probe going around the moon and they

480
00:27:46,550 --> 00:27:44,730
decided to detonate a rocket towards I

481
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:46,560
believe it was the South Pole of the

482
00:27:52,580 --> 00:27:49,290
moon they were looking for water so they

483
00:27:54,110 --> 00:27:52,590
said but I can't see bombing something

484
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,120
when you really aren't clear about

485
00:27:59,240 --> 00:27:56,640
what's there you know if what we're

486
00:28:01,220 --> 00:27:59,250
giving to believe is you know we don't

487
00:28:03,170 --> 00:28:01,230
know quite what's there and I think that

488
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:03,180
that is like why would you bomb

489
00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:05,640
something just to bomb it or to see if

490
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,990
isn't there a better way to see if

491
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:09,120
there's water didn't the Indians go up

492
00:28:12,290 --> 00:28:10,650
there and discover that there was a

493
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:12,300
little more water than we thought they

494
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:14,520
didn't bomb the moon so I was like

495
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:16,710
really kind of upset by that and

496
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,410
I don't want to go into my experience or

497
00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:21,360
involving that which was a sort of a

498
00:28:27,670 --> 00:28:24,990
remote viewing experience but since I

499
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:27,680
did mention the remote viewing mm-hmm

500
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:31,530
you had mentioned to me that you had a

501
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:34,050
meeting with Ingo Swann where he talked

502
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:36,600
about his remote viewing experience was

503
00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:40,350
far more extensive than mine and I just

504
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:41,940
wondered if you had anything to tell us

505
00:28:51,299 --> 00:28:47,440
about that yeah I met Ingo Swann

506
00:28:54,869 --> 00:28:51,309
oh geez I guess it's been 15 or more

507
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:54,879
years ago when I was asked to give a

508
00:29:01,289 --> 00:28:58,570
talk back in Bordentown New Jersey by

509
00:29:07,409 --> 00:29:01,299
mr. Pat Market tell y'all god bless him

510
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:07,419
yes and you know I course knew then who

511
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:11,710
ingo was but I was really surprised when

512
00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:15,250
he traveled down from New York City to

513
00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:20,440
hear my lecture and afterwards we all a

514
00:29:26,909 --> 00:29:23,230
number of people there got together and

515
00:29:28,889 --> 00:29:26,919
we were all talking and exchanging you

516
00:29:33,869 --> 00:29:28,899
know contact information on what have

517
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:33,879
you and angle and I became very well at

518
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:36,399
the time we became very friendly

519
00:29:44,730 --> 00:29:40,000
now after Vicki and I got back out here

520
00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:44,740
to the west coast about a year or two

521
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:48,659
years later Indo who had family out here

522
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:52,000
was coming out for a visit and one of

523
00:29:57,149 --> 00:29:54,490
our mutual friends

524
00:29:59,639 --> 00:29:57,159
Ingo asked this person if he would

525
00:30:03,269 --> 00:29:59,649
contact Vicki and I because he wanted to

526
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:03,279
get together for dinner out here and we

527
00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:07,110
said sure absolutely so he came out here

528
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:11,350
and we all met at an Italian restaurant

529
00:30:18,629 --> 00:30:16,720
in burbank lovely little cafe and we had

530
00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:18,639
about a four and a half almost a five

531
00:30:27,060 --> 00:30:23,950
hour dinner party and we got a chance to

532
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,070
really get some in-depth talking done

533
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:30,159
Ingo really quizzed me on some of the

534
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:32,110
things that I had been discovering in my

535
00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:35,049
lunar research and I of course had a

536
00:30:42,029 --> 00:30:38,409
copy of his book penetration had read it

537
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:42,039
about three times and I was dying to

538
00:30:49,499 --> 00:30:45,610
talk to him about his remote viewing

539
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:49,509
experiment now I'm sure for oh sure you

540
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:52,450
had both you ladies read penetration I

541
00:30:57,910 --> 00:30:55,690
have not I have certainly yes I have a

542
00:31:01,260 --> 00:30:57,920
copy of it right on my

543
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:01,270
my little laptop and I keep it there

544
00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:03,130
yeah

545
00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:07,550
well but perhaps some of the listeners

546
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:10,400
really are it's hard to believe but

547
00:31:16,780 --> 00:31:12,170
maybe they're not familiar with Ingo

548
00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:16,790
Swann so just that he is and it just not

549
00:31:21,670 --> 00:31:18,980
only he's sort of the remote viewers

550
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:21,680
remote viewer he was one of the people

551
00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:24,890
who started the remote viewing program

552
00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:27,260
out in Stanford Stanford research

553
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:32,350
industry with Russell Targ and

554
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:35,930
the other fellows name is God no no but

555
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:37,730
uh how put us that's it

556
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:40,730
how put off and Russell Targ Ingo Swann

557
00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:45,610
and well Ingo was the person that

558
00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:49,190
developed the protocols for the

559
00:31:57,340 --> 00:31:53,720
government's secret for 20 years remote

560
00:32:00,700 --> 00:31:57,350
viewing process Stargate we've all heard

561
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:00,710
about Stargate absolutely and dark eight

562
00:32:06,390 --> 00:32:03,170
was was basically was put together by

563
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:06,400
Swann he was one of the most gifted

564
00:32:15,580 --> 00:32:10,880
psychics in the world okay as a matter

565
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:15,590
of fact he could be almost scary could

566
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:18,290
be he could be almost scary and what I

567
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:20,510
really wanted to find out from him

568
00:32:26,860 --> 00:32:24,530
during that dinner party and and this

569
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:26,870
was after a couple of bottles of red

570
00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:29,450
wine okay he that we were all enjoying

571
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:32,900
and I asked him now the person he

572
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:36,170
identified in the book as mr. Axelrod

573
00:32:45,820 --> 00:32:41,330
right mr. Axelrod was and this is what

574
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:45,830
Ingo told me he was either in one of the

575
00:32:53,530 --> 00:32:49,810
deepest blackest intelligence

576
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:53,540
organizations ever and he didn't know

577
00:33:01,180 --> 00:32:56,450
whether it was American Russian Chinese

578
00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:01,190
god only knew okay what what was behind

579
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:05,030
him or and when he told me this he kind

580
00:33:12,419 --> 00:33:08,690
of shocked me he said or for all I knew

581
00:33:15,220 --> 00:33:12,429
they could have been an et outfit

582
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:15,230
so I mean take it for what it's worth

583
00:33:23,529 --> 00:33:18,910
but basically what these guys did is

584
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:23,539
they asked him if he would conduct some

585
00:33:28,990 --> 00:33:26,510
remote viewing experiments they wanted

586
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:29,000
to hire him for a thousand dollars a day

587
00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:34,210
and Ingo smoked cigars okay mm-hmm and

588
00:33:40,510 --> 00:33:36,950
they promised him all the cigars he

589
00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:40,520
needed at this so they picked him up

590
00:33:45,340 --> 00:33:42,830
they put a hood over his head they took

591
00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:45,350
him to God knows where to this what

592
00:33:50,770 --> 00:33:47,750
appeared to be according to England

593
00:33:54,430 --> 00:33:50,780
underground facility they put him up for

594
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:54,440
several days and they went in conducted

595
00:33:59,919 --> 00:33:57,679
the remote viewing protocols and engel

596
00:34:03,580 --> 00:33:59,929
started remote viewing now at the time

597
00:34:08,590 --> 00:34:03,590
he had no idea what he was remotely

598
00:34:12,129 --> 00:34:08,600
viewing but as he proceeded he said it

599
00:34:15,609 --> 00:34:12,139
suddenly became clear that wherever he

600
00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:15,619
was it wasn't on planet Earth

601
00:34:23,409 --> 00:34:18,200
finally figured out that he was remotely

602
00:34:27,580 --> 00:34:23,419
viewing a spot on our moon and what

603
00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:27,590
shocked him was that he was remotely

604
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:32,030
viewing what looked like an area that

605
00:34:40,060 --> 00:34:35,330
was covered by some type of either

606
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:40,070
shield or forcefield or something along

607
00:34:48,369 --> 00:34:43,990
those lines with banks of light in there

608
00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:48,379
with a very pronounced greenish hue and

609
00:34:56,619 --> 00:34:52,300
he saw people that were almost semi

610
00:35:00,700 --> 00:34:56,629
naked working in the lunar dust doing

611
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:00,710
god only knows what that part was great

612
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:04,010
that what freaked him out and I mean

613
00:35:11,859 --> 00:35:09,140
really he almost had a meltdown was when

614
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:11,869
they suddenly realized that he was

615
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:14,570
looking at them and they turned around

616
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:18,890
and looked at him back yeah that blew

617
00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:21,890
him literally out of that remote viewing

618
00:35:28,850 --> 00:35:25,020
session mm-hmm and for some time after

619
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:28,860
that he was truly terrified that they

620
00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:31,890
were going to come somehow psychically I

621
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:35,190
suppose and scramble his mind he was

622
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:39,570
terrified of that dawn I want to make

623
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:42,150
one point here you know as a person who

624
00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:44,730
has extensively studied remote viewing

625
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:47,460
myself and there is something that

626
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:51,090
happens when you get into a deep remote

627
00:35:55,460 --> 00:35:53,490
view if you're if it's going really well

628
00:35:57,350 --> 00:35:55,470
it can go to the point where it's no

629
00:36:00,110 --> 00:35:57,360
longer a remote view it becomes an

630
00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:00,120
astral projection and when it becomes an

631
00:36:04,460 --> 00:36:02,520
astral projection you actually put in

632
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:04,470
part of yourself there rather than

633
00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:08,460
viewing something and strangely when I

634
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:12,630
you know it was when I viewed the moon I

635
00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:14,370
wasn't trying to view the moon I was

636
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:18,540
doing it I was doing a meditation and I

637
00:36:22,820 --> 00:36:21,330
went to the moon and something rather

638
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:22,830
similar but a lot less traumatic

639
00:36:30,110 --> 00:36:27,210
happened to me and it can happen in a

640
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:30,120
remote view when you if you put yourself

641
00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:31,050
too much into it

642
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:34,380
it becomes you know what for lack of a

643
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:36,420
better term would be an astral

644
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,400
projection well I got to tell you I

645
00:36:48,830 --> 00:36:44,160
found that I found that rendition he

646
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:48,840
gave me to be so fascinating but wait

647
00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:55,680
there's more oh no why go ahead I'm

648
00:37:00,050 --> 00:36:57,720
sorry no no I was just as a white piece

649
00:37:01,970 --> 00:37:00,060
why would why did he feel so threatened

650
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:01,980
what was there about the glance just

651
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:06,810
that it was a different being and it was

652
00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:09,240
sort of like a xenophobia or was it was

653
00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:11,670
there an actual threat that he sort of

654
00:37:18,740 --> 00:37:15,150
psychically felt yeah according to him

655
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:18,750
there was it wasn't converter so he

656
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:21,570
wasn't rooting okay so it wasn't just

657
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:23,970
that they happened to see him back I

658
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:25,770
mean there was an actual feeling of

659
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:30,420
threat yeah he detected according to

660
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:32,690
what he what he told me he detected

661
00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:37,500
first surprise and then anger

662
00:37:44,359 --> 00:37:42,150
oh but he was one no I want to make one

663
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:44,369
other point here just as an experience

664
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:47,910
or that in when you're having this sort

665
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:50,520
of an experience not as necessarily as a

666
00:37:56,060 --> 00:37:53,730
remote viewer but in in the face of some

667
00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:56,070
form of alien intelligence for lack of a

668
00:38:03,890 --> 00:37:59,820
better term what what transpires is some

669
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,900
form of raw biologic terror that is

670
00:38:08,839 --> 00:38:06,240
within your body it's not like being

671
00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:08,849
afraid that if you know that you'll fall

672
00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:11,910
off the cliff or you came near to a car

673
00:38:16,339 --> 00:38:14,670
accident you have fear the kind of thing

674
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:16,349
that happens and has happened to me and

675
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:18,540
I've spoken to other experiences there

676
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:21,480
is a kind of raw terror that nothing

677
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:24,720
else duplicates so I'll leave that and

678
00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:26,460
please go on I'm so sorry to interrupt

679
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:29,400
but I did want to say that no that's

680
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:33,810
fine I and really Ingo Swan did not seem

681
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:35,730
like a man to be intimidated either

682
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:38,460
which is why it always intrigued me that

683
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:40,619
he felt so threatened but I'm sorry I am

684
00:38:47,630 --> 00:38:43,650
interrupted to know when we left you you

685
00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:47,640
were saying wait there's more so more so

686
00:38:55,579 --> 00:38:49,800
what more is there I mean that's all

687
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:55,589
good right there so on one of INGOs

688
00:39:03,560 --> 00:38:59,880
trips out here to the west coast he was

689
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:03,570
going to have now he was a gourmet cook

690
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:06,390
all right and he was going to have

691
00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:11,040
dinner with some friends down in Santa

692
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:14,430
Monica and so he was going out to do

693
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:19,290
some shopping for the ingredients that

694
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:21,960
he needed hmm and he went to this

695
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:25,770
supermarket now one one thing in order

696
00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:29,460
for me to for everybody to get the the

697
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:33,420
sense of what was transpiring I got a

698
00:39:42,020 --> 00:39:37,500
mention that that man mr. Axelrod this

699
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:42,030
mysterious apparently intelligence

700
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:45,330
official okay that Ingo had contact with

701
00:39:51,289 --> 00:39:50,130
a number of times had a couple of guys

702
00:39:54,589 --> 00:39:51,299
that

703
00:39:57,439 --> 00:39:54,599
for him and for sure you'll recall this

704
00:40:00,669 --> 00:39:57,449
from the book yet Engel referred to as

705
00:40:04,999 --> 00:40:00,679
the twins yes now these were two guys

706
00:40:09,169 --> 00:40:05,009
who were probably not brothers but they

707
00:40:10,819 --> 00:40:09,179
were very similar in manner physique

708
00:40:12,799 --> 00:40:10,829
could build what-have-you

709
00:40:16,579 --> 00:40:12,809
in other words they were a couple of

710
00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:16,589
bruisers according to angle or could be

711
00:40:23,269 --> 00:40:20,579
if the situation called wart but he went

712
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:23,279
to the supermarket and as he's walking

713
00:40:29,539 --> 00:40:27,209
in he recounted this story he was

714
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:29,549
walking down to the vegetable section

715
00:40:39,759 --> 00:40:35,880
and suddenly he was confronted with one

716
00:40:44,509 --> 00:40:39,769
of the most breathtakingly sexual women

717
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:44,519
he ever saw in his life and he described

718
00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:47,839
her in the book as wearing a pair of

719
00:40:56,629 --> 00:40:52,859
really skin tight short shorts over her

720
00:41:00,859 --> 00:40:56,639
ample bosom she had a from what I recall

721
00:41:04,279 --> 00:41:00,869
a scarf wrapped around that was not an

722
00:41:08,929 --> 00:41:04,289
actual halter top was wearing these

723
00:41:12,859 --> 00:41:08,939
outlandish purple sunglasses had a mane

724
00:41:15,259 --> 00:41:12,869
of hair that I guess you know if you're

725
00:41:19,789 --> 00:41:15,269
a heterosexual guy you want to run your

726
00:41:24,279 --> 00:41:19,799
fingers through it and he was literally

727
00:41:27,649 --> 00:41:24,289
knocked back on his heels by this woman

728
00:41:30,709 --> 00:41:27,659
and he was so taken with her that he

729
00:41:36,709 --> 00:41:30,719
handed walked down to get closer to her

730
00:41:40,579 --> 00:41:36,719
and as he's walking down the hair on the

731
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:40,589
back of his neck started to tingle now

732
00:41:49,189 --> 00:41:43,859
like I said angle was one of the most

733
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:49,199
gifted psychics around anywhere for many

734
00:41:55,459 --> 00:41:53,609
many years and it suddenly hit him this

735
00:41:57,289 --> 00:41:55,469
is what and this is what he said in the

736
00:42:01,549 --> 00:41:57,299
book and this is what he told me

737
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:01,559
personally he said I suddenly realized

738
00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:04,990
that that woman was not a human being

739
00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:09,070
mm-hmm she was an 80mm but then he had a

740
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:13,840
bigger shock as he as he stopped himself

741
00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:18,490
and he realized that this woman who he

742
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:21,820
now was convinced was not human might

743
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:25,390
detect him he's looking around for an

744
00:42:33,180 --> 00:42:29,050
escape to get out of there and he sees

745
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:33,190
one of these two guys from mr. Axelrod

746
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:35,770
hmm and he's not going to go that way so

747
00:42:41,310 --> 00:42:37,990
he starts to go another way and there's

748
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:41,320
the other guy and they both apparently

749
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,350
have this woman there they're observing

750
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:47,200
her they must have been following her or

751
00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:48,090
something

752
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:51,940
well that shook him up so bad he just

753
00:42:56,910 --> 00:42:54,970
got the heck out of there okay jumped in

754
00:43:00,330 --> 00:42:56,920
his car and went somewhere else well a

755
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:00,340
few days later he gets one of these

756
00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:04,510
mysterious phone calls that he has to go

757
00:43:10,620 --> 00:43:07,780
he I let's see I believe he had his his

758
00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:10,630
apartment parotia you may know this

759
00:43:14,670 --> 00:43:12,940
better than I in Greenwich Village is

760
00:43:17,130 --> 00:43:14,680
that correct in the West Village I

761
00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:17,140
believe it was on lower 7th Avenue 7th

762
00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:20,080
Avenue South but I couldn't attest to

763
00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:24,430
that absolutely but it wasn't in in in

764
00:43:31,290 --> 00:43:28,030
the West Village yes well he had a code

765
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:31,300
set up whenever mr. Axelrod wanted to

766
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:33,670
get in touch with him he would either

767
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:36,730
get a note or would get a quick phone

768
00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:39,490
call go to so-and-so and he would go

769
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:42,820
down to a payphone and then stand there

770
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:45,609
and wait for the phone to ring well he

771
00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:47,970
got one of those notes or however they

772
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,680
contacted him but he knew he had to get

773
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,960
out to a payphone that had been

774
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:55,359
pre-selected he went to this payphone

775
00:44:00,359 --> 00:43:58,000
and sure enough the phone rang he

776
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:00,369
answered it there was a woman on the

777
00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:02,170
other end and said hold for a moment

778
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:02,470
please

779
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:05,920
and the next voice he heard was mr.

780
00:44:10,770 --> 00:44:08,800
Axelrod demanding to know what in the

781
00:44:13,859 --> 00:44:10,780
world he was doing in that store where

782
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:13,869
that woman was and then he told him he

783
00:44:18,279 --> 00:44:17,170
said well just so you know if you ever

784
00:44:21,309 --> 00:44:18,289
run into her

785
00:44:24,819 --> 00:44:21,319
again stay away from her because she's

786
00:44:26,799 --> 00:44:24,829
as dangerous as you can imagine so that

787
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:26,809
was just another one of these little

788
00:44:33,509 --> 00:44:29,839
weird you know these weird little

789
00:44:39,909 --> 00:44:33,519
antidotes that they keep this field so

790
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,919
interesting yes indeed it is so but you

791
00:44:46,359 --> 00:44:41,839
know sort of to get back to the moon a

792
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:46,369
little bit too so this fellow really did

793
00:44:51,370 --> 00:44:48,169
feel that there were bases on the moon

794
00:44:54,370 --> 00:44:51,380
in essence I mean some of the certainly

795
00:44:57,130 --> 00:44:54,380
the early astronauts felt the same thing

796
00:44:59,949 --> 00:44:57,140
Edgar Mitchell is very definite about

797
00:45:01,890 --> 00:44:59,959
saying that aliens don't exist which

798
00:45:05,650 --> 00:45:01,900
most of us would take for granted but

799
00:45:10,299 --> 00:45:05,660
actually are here and he's a man whose

800
00:45:12,429 --> 00:45:10,309
word I take so I you know again I mean

801
00:45:14,049 --> 00:45:12,439
it's yeah almost you know follow the

802
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:14,059
money trail everything comes down to

803
00:45:19,179 --> 00:45:16,329
money and oil is certainly a huge

804
00:45:22,059 --> 00:45:19,189
producer of money but I can't believe

805
00:45:23,739 --> 00:45:22,069
that that's all that there is I mean I

806
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:23,749
would like to think that there was

807
00:45:32,969 --> 00:45:27,049
something other than just strictly

808
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:37,239
well you know I I would go along with

809
00:45:42,399 --> 00:45:39,169
that would I agree with even more is

810
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:42,409
that your a theory that they were much

811
00:45:48,609 --> 00:45:46,249
much earlier human development on this

812
00:45:52,329 --> 00:45:48,619
planet that probably destroyed

813
00:45:55,839 --> 00:45:52,339
themselves or or or met with a horrible

814
00:45:57,849 --> 00:45:55,849
fate and that the moon may just be left

815
00:46:02,409 --> 00:45:57,859
over from them or perhaps there are

816
00:46:05,859 --> 00:46:02,419
still some survivors out there but you

817
00:46:08,409 --> 00:46:05,869
know again everybody seems to feel that

818
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:08,419
if suddenly the presence of aliens are

819
00:46:12,759 --> 00:46:10,249
known that everything's gonna fall apart

820
00:46:15,219 --> 00:46:12,769
and religious are going to come apart at

821
00:46:17,289 --> 00:46:15,229
the seams and governments are gonna run

822
00:46:19,749 --> 00:46:17,299
for the hills and I honestly don't think

823
00:46:22,269 --> 00:46:19,759
that's true I think you know maybe ala

824
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:22,279
Spielberg we've been so prepared for so

825
00:46:27,909 --> 00:46:23,359
long now

826
00:46:29,319 --> 00:46:27,919
well we we're a first world country okay

827
00:46:30,609 --> 00:46:29,329
let's look at some of the other

828
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:30,619
campaigns

829
00:46:39,339 --> 00:46:37,369
that's true and and there is the rub as

830
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:39,349
say but you know there was something

831
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:42,079
else about the Mon Tue that I wanted to

832
00:46:46,959 --> 00:46:44,569
mention when we were speaking about this

833
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:46,969
tonight you know we stopped going to the

834
00:46:56,890 --> 00:46:53,650
moon in 1972 and a lot of people were

835
00:47:03,029 --> 00:46:56,900
curious about that I certainly was one

836
00:47:08,249 --> 00:47:03,039
of them and but what I found even more

837
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:08,259
curious and they let me say it

838
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:12,410
inexplicable was do you know that we

839
00:47:20,859 --> 00:47:15,910
went back to the moon in the early 90s

840
00:47:24,509 --> 00:47:20,869
no he did we went back to the moon and

841
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:24,519
not only went back to the moon we

842
00:47:33,549 --> 00:47:29,450
completely totally rephotographed the

843
00:47:37,690 --> 00:47:33,559
entire moon with what was then

844
00:47:41,469 --> 00:47:37,700
cutting-edge technology the project was

845
00:47:51,279 --> 00:47:41,479
called Clementine right yes and it was

846
00:47:58,859 --> 00:47:51,289
not a NASA project and I had a has a

847
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:03,239
dr. Brandenburg was the administrative

848
00:48:10,959 --> 00:48:07,369
assistant to the director of the

849
00:48:13,870 --> 00:48:10,969
Clementine project and John and I have

850
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:13,880
talked about this many times both on the

851
00:48:19,299 --> 00:48:17,089
air as well as off the air and here's a

852
00:48:23,410 --> 00:48:19,309
little factoid that you may find

853
00:48:27,549 --> 00:48:23,420
absolutely astounding you know they took

854
00:48:33,549 --> 00:48:27,559
over 2 million photographs how many of

855
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:33,559
those photos have you ever seen and even

856
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:37,390
when they were coming back in real time

857
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:41,119
during the Clementine mission even

858
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:44,480
though they were coming back John

859
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:47,210
the rest of the people in the support

860
00:48:54,450 --> 00:48:50,810
group saw practically none of them they

861
00:48:57,820 --> 00:48:54,460
had a contractor a DoD defense

862
00:48:59,950 --> 00:48:57,830
contractor in there that was getting all

863
00:49:03,130 --> 00:48:59,960
of those photographs and they were

864
00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:03,140
keeping them under wraps and I asked him

865
00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:07,070
about that and I said John I said what

866
00:49:12,310 --> 00:49:09,260
in the world were they doing he said

867
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,320
well he said Don and and I mean he's

868
00:49:17,380 --> 00:49:14,960
he's gone on the record with this he

869
00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:17,390
said they were looking in he said I

870
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:20,150
believe they were looking for changes up

871
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:23,570
there and they were looking for specific

872
00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:26,690
things I said what kind of specific

873
00:49:35,849 --> 00:49:30,230
things he said well you know I use your

874
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:35,859
imagination mm-hmm you know he also

875
00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:38,480
speculated that there was a nuclear war

876
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:41,780
on Marvis which I found fascinating no a

877
00:49:51,460 --> 00:49:44,690
nuclear detonation not necessarily okay

878
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:51,470
okay yeah he did he and that got buried

879
00:49:57,010 --> 00:49:54,710
I mean you would think that life and

880
00:50:02,890 --> 00:49:57,020
death on Mars the new Mars synthesis

881
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,900
yeah absolutely and yet it doesn't get

882
00:50:07,780 --> 00:50:05,119
published in journals like science or

883
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:07,790
nature and I mean certainly the manet

884
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:10,640
academically is more than qualified for

885
00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:11,990
a peer review

886
00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:15,500
he backed up that so-called theory was

887
00:50:23,340 --> 00:50:19,630
absolute facts and it just gets buried

888
00:50:27,849 --> 00:50:23,350
who's the sensor through all this and

889
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:27,859
another thing is that at NASA we have

890
00:50:33,250 --> 00:50:30,800
here a number of people from astronauts

891
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:33,260
like Edgar Mitchell to this gentleman

892
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:38,290
dr. Brandenburg to maurice chatelaine -

893
00:50:44,260 --> 00:50:41,030
Paul Hill who you know you've mentioned

894
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:44,270
on your show quite a bit and and other

895
00:50:48,609 --> 00:50:46,790
individuals whose names

896
00:50:51,340 --> 00:50:48,619
unfortunately escaped me at this very

897
00:50:55,450 --> 00:50:51,350
second but there's got to be a dozen of

898
00:50:57,250 --> 00:50:55,460
them including astronauts and and ground

899
00:50:57,940 --> 00:50:57,260
control and people of that nature

900
00:51:01,210 --> 00:50:57,950
who

901
00:51:03,460 --> 00:51:01,220
have not exactly defected but you would

902
00:51:06,849 --> 00:51:03,470
say they have come clean and said a few

903
00:51:08,829 --> 00:51:06,859
things that give us to believe that you

904
00:51:09,930 --> 00:51:08,839
know what you see is not what you get up

905
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:09,940
there

906
00:51:20,349 --> 00:51:14,780
well why yeah great question why in the

907
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:20,359
world is is is it still such a secret

908
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:25,640
why are nobody why is no-one up in arms

909
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:29,630
about this I mean well good lord you had

910
00:51:37,050 --> 00:51:31,970
mentioned earlier look at the state of

911
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:37,060
the of the world today we are in a

912
00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:40,310
genuine deeply and I might add a

913
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:43,460
cesspool right now

914
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:47,599
it is just you know it's just horrible

915
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:49,310
and when I get up in the morning I

916
00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:53,930
almost hesitate to turn on the radio I

917
00:52:01,359 --> 00:51:58,040
have my verse death agape and there's so

918
00:52:06,370 --> 00:52:01,369
much bad news I mean recent this of

919
00:52:10,510 --> 00:52:06,380
bolas care that is going on and but you

920
00:52:15,069 --> 00:52:10,520
know you you got to ask yourself in the

921
00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:15,079
powers that be currently where do any of

922
00:52:21,309 --> 00:52:17,060
these items that we're talking about

923
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,319
tonight fall on their scale of things to

924
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:24,079
be addressed well it's got to be it's

925
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:27,430
got to be beneath the floorboards UFOs

926
00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:31,450
things on the moon extraterrestrial

927
00:52:39,490 --> 00:52:35,390
intelligence and you know that's where

928
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:39,500
it's gonna stay until such time as it

929
00:52:47,230 --> 00:52:44,480
doesn't stay there now why is that well

930
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:47,240
you know and this is something else that

931
00:52:56,130 --> 00:52:50,329
that I have looked at over the years go

932
00:53:00,400 --> 00:52:56,140
back to 1953 particularly January of

933
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:00,410
1953 which was about six seven six

934
00:53:08,050 --> 00:53:04,880
months after the infamous Washington DC

935
00:53:10,609 --> 00:53:08,060
overflights that happened in three

936
00:53:15,799 --> 00:53:10,619
weekends in July and early

937
00:53:19,069 --> 00:53:15,809
yes of UFOs something unidentified

938
00:53:23,410 --> 00:53:19,079
objects that over flew the net the

939
00:53:27,309 --> 00:53:23,420
nation's capital with total impunity

940
00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:27,319
okay whatever whatever it was went in in

941
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:30,660
airspace over the Capitol over the

942
00:53:36,380 --> 00:53:34,170
Pentagon over the White House jets were

943
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,390
called in he couldn't catch him these

944
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:38,880
things flew around as a matter of fact

945
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:44,130
you mentioned Paul Hill at that time was

946
00:53:54,410 --> 00:53:48,450
a high-level employee of NACA

947
00:53:58,849 --> 00:53:54,420
which was the precursor to NASA okay

948
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,859
mm-hmm ACA which was later what NASA

949
00:54:04,279 --> 00:54:01,200
became although at the time they weren't

950
00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:04,289
as they weren't as concerned with outer

951
00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:09,059
space but he had a tremendous sighting

952
00:54:15,140 --> 00:54:12,359
in Washington or on the outskirts of

953
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:15,150
Washington during these overflights

954
00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:19,380
went back talked to his people at NACA

955
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:21,960
and they told him that if he ever

956
00:54:27,979 --> 00:54:25,529
mentioned it publicly he'd be fired yeah

957
00:54:30,499 --> 00:54:27,989
so sure they knew something they knew

958
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:30,509
something was going on but it had them

959
00:54:35,749 --> 00:54:33,180
scared to death well in January the

960
00:54:37,940 --> 00:54:35,759
government finally said okay look we got

961
00:54:41,329 --> 00:54:37,950
to figure out a way to handle this and

962
00:54:44,569 --> 00:54:41,339
that's where we got what became known as

963
00:54:47,539 --> 00:54:44,579
the Robertson panel they brought in some

964
00:54:50,989 --> 00:54:47,549
of the top scientific talent in the

965
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:50,999
United States at that time for a week to

966
00:54:57,979 --> 00:54:55,200
discuss UFOs and not what are they where

967
00:55:00,589 --> 00:54:57,989
do they come from what do they want know

968
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:00,599
that that isn't what they discussed it's

969
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:03,690
how do we handle it and they decided

970
00:55:09,309 --> 00:55:06,420
upon and I'm just giving you the short

971
00:55:12,979 --> 00:55:09,319
version ridicule

972
00:55:15,319 --> 00:55:12,989
ridicule is the best way to do it and if

973
00:55:18,229 --> 00:55:15,329
you look at the history of the phenomena

974
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:18,239
from that point forward that's exactly

975
00:55:22,569 --> 00:55:20,130
what the United States government and

976
00:55:23,940 --> 00:55:22,579
the military and the intelligence

977
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:23,950
agencies

978
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:29,130
have done for the next 60 years ridicule

979
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:33,369
the giggle factor yes but you know Don -

980
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:36,910
knowledge is power and I think a lot of

981
00:55:42,809 --> 00:55:40,150
these people in authoritative positions

982
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:42,819
like having this knowledge to themselves

983
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:44,410
it just makes them feel a little bit

984
00:55:48,420 --> 00:55:46,390
more important like you know we can

985
00:55:51,980 --> 00:55:48,430
handle this but you Schmucks can't and

986
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:51,990
that's you know it's how it's gonna be I

987
00:55:57,420 --> 00:55:54,970
I think I have to agree with you I mean

988
00:56:00,299 --> 00:55:57,430
today's crises so outweigh any

989
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,309
discussion of UFOs and I think you even

990
00:56:05,549 --> 00:56:02,559
see it like in the media and in talk

991
00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:05,559
shows such as this it it seems to have

992
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,480
dropped off a little bit I think people

993
00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:10,000
are so concerned with just staying alive

994
00:56:17,309 --> 00:56:13,950
these days that something is you know

995
00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:17,319
interesting but how would you say just

996
00:56:23,730 --> 00:56:20,280
not really part of their daily life just

997
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:23,740
that as you say takes the backburner for

998
00:56:30,059 --> 00:56:26,770
sure oh absolutely there's there's no

999
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:30,069
doubt about it and and let's face it in

1000
00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:38,880
the last 10 to 15 years the level of

1001
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:42,760
research into this phenomenon and the

1002
00:56:51,140 --> 00:56:46,680
people that that are so-called

1003
00:56:55,940 --> 00:56:51,150
researchers the you know it has just

1004
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:55,950
degraded into absolutely a mishmash of

1005
00:57:03,420 --> 00:56:59,680
garbage out there yes it has and 20

1006
00:57:05,339 --> 00:57:03,430
years ago we had we had people like well

1007
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:05,349
at the time Bruce Maccabee Stanton

1008
00:57:11,250 --> 00:57:08,400
Friedman Kevin Randall Richard Owen

1009
00:57:14,490 --> 00:57:11,260
well don't know nobody even knew who

1010
00:57:16,740 --> 00:57:14,500
Dolan was that's true who's true okay

1011
00:57:19,890 --> 00:57:16,750
but then you had people like my wife

1012
00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:19,900
Vicki and I yes with the magazine I mean

1013
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:23,140
we were concerned with doing actual

1014
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:25,710
research getting out in the field

1015
00:57:32,010 --> 00:57:28,240
interviewing people going to places

1016
00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:32,020
where things have happened talking to

1017
00:57:36,089 --> 00:57:33,670
neighbors and you know what I'm saying

1018
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:36,099
conducting an assessment and that

1019
00:57:40,770 --> 00:57:37,570
doesn't happen

1020
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:40,780
the kid and a lot of them today are kids

1021
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:43,090
if they have a laptop computer and

1022
00:57:48,540 --> 00:57:45,040
they're sitting down in mom's basement

1023
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:48,550
with a an internet hookup

1024
00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:51,280
they can call themselves a UFO

1025
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,240
researcher go on the web find a case and

1026
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,520
then just start blabbing blabbering

1027
00:58:03,960 --> 00:57:59,920
about it yes and that's research today

1028
00:58:06,270 --> 00:58:03,970
well you know unfortunately MUFON hasn't

1029
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:06,280
been you know totally transparent in

1030
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:08,770
doing their job - some of the people are

1031
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,510
wonderful people and they do their job

1032
00:58:15,210 --> 00:58:12,400
but they're not really releasing the

1033
00:58:17,730 --> 00:58:15,220
cases so people can see them and that's

1034
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:17,740
an issue - another issue that was true

1035
00:58:23,340 --> 00:58:20,770
thirty years ago bringing it just

1036
00:58:27,090 --> 00:58:23,350
bringing it back to the moon for a last

1037
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:27,100
question Don there was a discovery very

1038
00:58:35,490 --> 00:58:31,680
recently having to do with a huge

1039
00:58:38,790 --> 00:58:35,500
geologically huge I mean big is like a

1040
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:38,800
half the moon square artifact that was

1041
00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:41,890
discovered and I know that you know that

1042
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:44,230
some of the rocks on the moon are older

1043
00:58:49,260 --> 00:58:46,900
than the earth and the soil is older

1044
00:58:52,590 --> 00:58:49,270
than the earth soil so do you have any

1045
00:58:54,420 --> 00:58:52,600
opinion have you seen this research it's

1046
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:54,430
really very new and no one would blame

1047
00:58:59,340 --> 00:58:56,410
you if you hadn't seen it but about this

1048
00:59:02,580 --> 00:58:59,350
square artifact that has been discovered

1049
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:02,590
by scientists on the moon I hate to

1050
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:06,850
admit this and but but I might try to be

1051
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:09,250
an honest guy no I hadn't heard of it

1052
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:12,010
well I'm gonna send you it on you know

1053
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:13,330
on the internet I'll send you an email

1054
00:59:18,330 --> 00:59:15,670
with it but it's it's just this huge

1055
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:18,340
geological thing that there's this big

1056
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:20,650
square you know that is not like the

1057
00:59:27,210 --> 00:59:23,410
rest of the moon and it's a big huge

1058
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:27,220
square that the astrogeologist I guess

1059
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:30,400
they would call themselves and they have

1060
00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:31,810
discovered this and they are making

1061
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:34,120
theories now as to what it might be of

1062
00:59:38,820 --> 00:59:36,370
course that the things that are coming

1063
00:59:42,060 --> 00:59:38,830
up with are purely speculative and they

1064
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:42,070
really don't know but you know so much

1065
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:44,110
about the moon you don't know like it

1066
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:47,170
one astronomer said oh the moon no it

1067
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:49,690
does not exist because it shouldn't

1068
00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:50,770
exist

1069
00:59:57,900 --> 00:59:53,590
the characteristics and so on the orbit

1070
01:00:00,480 --> 00:59:57,910
size the double planet thing the

1071
01:00:03,870 --> 01:00:00,490
rotation that matches this the fact it's

1072
01:00:06,030 --> 01:00:03,880
kept this planet's climate stable long

1073
01:00:10,310 --> 01:00:06,040
enough for life to develop I have so

1074
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:10,320
many weird things so and they keep this

1075
01:00:16,790 --> 01:00:12,880
finding them the mass cons and all those

1076
01:00:19,590 --> 01:00:16,800
messes almost like a plan yeah I

1077
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:19,600
honestly you know I think there are some

1078
01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:21,610
artificial satellites

1079
01:00:26,670 --> 01:00:23,950
I think the moons one focus is another

1080
01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:26,680
probably when we get out to Jupiter and

1081
01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:29,500
Saturn and so on I think they have been

1082
01:00:33,690 --> 01:00:32,590
planted here and somebody knew what they

1083
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:33,700
were doing and they knew how to

1084
01:00:40,530 --> 01:00:36,640
stabilize life-forms on various planets

1085
01:00:43,590 --> 01:00:40,540
and once it gets a massive rock in the

1086
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:43,600
Goldilocks zone they go put another rock

1087
01:00:47,010 --> 01:00:45,610
out there everything will be peachy keen

1088
01:00:49,860 --> 01:00:47,020
before you know it they'll have an

1089
01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:49,870
atmosphere of rain oceans water

1090
01:00:56,550 --> 01:00:52,270
everything it sounds almost like to

1091
01:00:59,880 --> 01:00:56,560
kumbaya to be true yes yes indeed it's

1092
01:01:01,620 --> 01:00:59,890
that's really true Kate um I am

1093
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:01,630
wondering whether we should give Don an

1094
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:04,090
opportunity to you know talk himself up

1095
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:05,530
and what he's doing and talk about

1096
01:01:11,010 --> 01:01:09,250
pleased I'm sorry my manners are showing

1097
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:11,020
faroush is absolutely correct

1098
01:01:21,180 --> 01:01:18,160
please yeah I write now primarily what

1099
01:01:26,070 --> 01:01:21,190
what I'm up to is my radio program it's

1100
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:26,080
called Dark Matters radio it's carried

1101
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:30,310
on the cyber station USA Network out of

1102
01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:34,690
Boston Massachusetts believe it or not

1103
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:38,440
now this has been although I haven't

1104
01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:42,160
been 10 years with cyber station this is

1105
01:01:50,130 --> 01:01:45,910
the 10th year of dark matters radio

1106
01:01:54,270 --> 01:01:50,140
Bravo congratulations thank you we we

1107
01:01:57,450 --> 01:01:54,280
run Monday through Friday starting at

1108
01:02:00,540 --> 01:01:57,460
10:00 p.m. Pacific Time that's 1:00 a.m.

1109
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:00,550
on the East Coast so it's it's kind of

1110
01:02:08,859 --> 01:02:04,250
late for all you folks back east but

1111
01:02:12,730 --> 01:02:08,869
good news is is that all of those shows

1112
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:12,740
are available for either streaming

1113
01:02:22,780 --> 01:02:18,290
online or a free download we do not

1114
01:02:26,859 --> 01:02:22,790
charge anybody for that and you know it

1115
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:26,869
runs right Monday through Friday and you

1116
01:02:30,460 --> 01:02:28,609
know just have I've been having a heck

1117
01:02:36,130 --> 01:02:30,470
of a good time doing it for as long as I

1118
01:02:37,330 --> 01:02:36,140
have and I'm a fan thank you and crew

1119
01:02:41,620 --> 01:02:37,340
she was telling me you have a book

1120
01:02:46,030 --> 01:02:41,630
coming out is that so no I have a a

1121
01:02:50,620 --> 01:02:46,040
novel that was buried I'm working on a

1122
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:50,630
sequel the novel is titled past sins hmm

1123
01:02:57,250 --> 01:02:55,310
it's a horror novel oh and boy I'll tell

1124
01:02:59,500 --> 01:02:57,260
you especially this time of the year is

1125
01:03:03,760 --> 01:02:59,510
a great time port you know Halloween is

1126
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:03,770
coming up okay I heard you read part of

1127
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:05,570
it on the air and it was very impressive

1128
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:10,010
oh thank you that's been a while ago

1129
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:11,920
good lord

1130
01:03:23,650 --> 01:03:18,770
but yeah passions is a it took care of

1131
01:03:27,810 --> 01:03:23,660
her I had a Jones Jones good horror and

1132
01:03:31,540 --> 01:03:27,820
I've always been especially fond of

1133
01:03:35,770 --> 01:03:31,550
vampire stories and that's what this

1134
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:35,780
novel is about what if vampires were

1135
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:39,440
real what if there were creatures called

1136
01:04:01,210 --> 01:03:42,530
vampires and the Central Intelligence

1137
01:04:02,710 --> 01:04:01,220
Agency got their hands on oh boy now

1138
01:04:10,349 --> 01:04:02,720
imagine what they could do with a real

1139
01:04:13,450 --> 01:04:10,359
vampire oh please anyway very scary so I

1140
01:04:17,020 --> 01:04:13,460
want to thank you so much for coming on

1141
01:04:18,070 --> 01:04:17,030
with us and we're gonna you know hope

1142
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:18,080
they should come back we

1143
01:04:23,650 --> 01:04:21,530
hope that this this podcast that we're

1144
01:04:25,870 --> 01:04:23,660
working on here the shattered reality

1145
01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:25,880
we're hoping to get it going and that we

1146
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:28,310
get a bunch of good people on and we

1147
01:04:33,580 --> 01:04:30,290
couldn't get anybody better than you Don

1148
01:04:35,380 --> 01:04:33,590
and although I have really you know you

1149
01:04:37,180 --> 01:04:35,390
were talking about remote viewers and

1150
01:04:39,550 --> 01:04:37,190
when I think of you I also think of the

1151
01:04:42,370 --> 01:04:39,560
other great remote viewer because I

1152
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,380
think that you know I trust you in a way

1153
01:04:47,860 --> 01:04:44,480
because I think you've got that you know

1154
01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:47,870
that police ESP like Pat price had who

1155
01:04:53,860 --> 01:04:51,470
was the greatest remote viewer of our of

1156
01:04:55,810 --> 01:04:53,870
our time I think even better than then

1157
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:55,820
ingo on a certain level and and

1158
01:05:00,160 --> 01:04:58,400
unfortunately he he was he was snuffed

1159
01:05:03,370 --> 01:05:00,170
by one of the governments we never know

1160
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:03,380
mu but he was a wonderful police

1161
01:05:07,450 --> 01:05:05,450
detective and I really believe that you

1162
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:07,460
fellas a lot of times you have that

1163
01:05:12,220 --> 01:05:09,650
little extra sense that lets you know

1164
01:05:13,420 --> 01:05:12,230
what to do and what not to do and you

1165
01:05:15,550 --> 01:05:13,430
know you see things that other people

1166
01:05:16,990 --> 01:05:15,560
don't see so I want to thank you very

1167
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:17,000
much and we're going to end the

1168
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,210
broadcast of this tonight with my

1169
01:05:25,450 --> 01:05:22,400
surmisings and we'll certainly let you

1170
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:25,460
listen to it mice amaizing x' are things

1171
01:05:30,370 --> 01:05:27,650
that are they're not exactly predictions

1172
01:05:33,790 --> 01:05:30,380
they're things that just figure it to me

1173
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:33,800
and and as as Russell Targ said about

1174
01:05:37,660 --> 01:05:34,640
UFOs

1175
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:37,670
something like that is true so I'm going

1176
01:05:43,630 --> 01:05:39,650
to say something like what I'm going to

1177
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:43,640
say is true and my surmising for this

1178
01:05:48,010 --> 01:05:46,250
evening is that some government maybe

1179
01:05:50,110 --> 01:05:48,020
the US government maybe the Chinese

1180
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:50,120
government maybe some other government

1181
01:05:56,890 --> 01:05:53,210
is developing what is essentially a

1182
01:05:59,140 --> 01:05:56,900
suicide machine and you know we've all

1183
01:06:02,020 --> 01:05:59,150
heard in books like the men who stare at

1184
01:06:05,260 --> 01:06:02,030
goats we've all heard that there are

1185
01:06:07,540 --> 01:06:05,270
certain psyops things going on and i

1186
01:06:10,270 --> 01:06:07,550
think somewhere in somebody's deep black

1187
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:10,280
program is a suicide machine that it

1188
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:13,280
probably works through some form of

1189
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:17,210
sound waves going out and taking it out

1190
01:06:21,460 --> 01:06:19,280
putting it somewhere where there is a

1191
01:06:23,410 --> 01:06:21,470
population where they don't want the

1192
01:06:26,310 --> 01:06:23,420
people to be there anymore and these

1193
01:06:28,570 --> 01:06:26,320
people will in fact commit suicide I

1194
01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:28,580
don't know when we're going to find out

1195
01:06:31,209 --> 01:06:29,329
about it I

1196
01:06:33,609 --> 01:06:31,219
don't know how it's going to happen but

1197
01:06:34,989 --> 01:06:33,619
that's my surmising for tonight and with

1198
01:06:38,769 --> 01:06:34,999
that Kate you want to say

1199
01:06:42,099 --> 01:06:38,779
yeah well that was criminal but I guess

1200
01:06:44,890 --> 01:06:42,109
we're all dying to find out anyway Todd

1201
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:44,900
listen I've just really admired you from

1202
01:06:51,009 --> 01:06:48,650
afar for so long UFO magazine god when

1203
01:06:53,620 --> 01:06:51,019
that came out every issue I go yeah here

1204
01:06:56,469 --> 01:06:53,630
it is again and go from this beginning

1205
01:06:58,809 --> 01:06:56,479
right to the end and it's it's really

1206
01:07:01,359 --> 01:06:58,819
been a real pleasure to speak to you and

1207
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,369
you are one of the Great's in the field

1208
01:07:06,099 --> 01:07:03,680
and I thank you so much for being with

1209
01:07:09,099 --> 01:07:06,109
us this evening well thank you so much

1210
01:07:11,380 --> 01:07:09,109
and it's been a pleasure and thank you

1211
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:11,390
for the honor of being the first guest

1212
01:07:17,469 --> 01:07:14,089
on your your new radio program and hey

1213
01:07:19,269 --> 01:07:17,479
let me let me tell you and this is

1214
01:07:22,739 --> 01:07:19,279
something I don't talk about often but

1215
01:07:27,309 --> 01:07:22,749
you're right I do have a sixth sense

1216
01:07:29,769 --> 01:07:27,319
that works pretty good occasionally and

1217
01:07:31,690 --> 01:07:29,779
I got good feelings about where you

1218
01:07:33,309 --> 01:07:31,700
ladies are going to be heading with this

1219
01:07:35,259 --> 01:07:33,319
well Wow

1220
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:35,269
thank you thank you thank you it's very

1221
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:38,329
very encouraging and and I think we'll

1222
01:07:42,670 --> 01:07:40,609
let it go on that I know yeah on that

1223
01:07:45,099 --> 01:07:42,680
high note and it the honor is all ours